Jodi Pettersen from Season 1 of Shares Not Shoes comes back to put your regular host, Camilla Love in the hot seat. Get to know the woman behind the podcast, Fthree and eInvest.
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Jodi Pettersen
You need to be your number one cheerleader, right? So no one else is going to be your biggest cheerleader except for you.
Jodi Pettersen
Welcome back to Shares Not Shoes Podcast. The Insider's Guide to Careers in Finance. My name is not not Camilla Love. It's actually Jody Pettison. And the reason why I'm hosting today's podcast will become very clear shortly. Cherscot Shoes podcast introduced those that work in finance and uncovers the personal stories of the who, what, when and how of careers in finance. So let's dive into it. On today's episode, I am interviewing Camilla Love, the actual founder of Shares Not Shoes podcast, the founder of F Three and all around awesome person. This has come after many requests from Shares Not Shoes listeners to really find out what's Camilla's story. She's the one asking all these questions. But let's pull out their uno reverse card around and discover what Camilla is all about. So thank you for stepping on the other side of the podcast today, Camilla.
Camilla Love
Thanks, Jodi, for saying yes to be the new moderator. You might have a permanent job, so watch out.
Jodi Pettersen
You better watch out. Hey, this is my first go. Excuse the listeners. Hopefully I can meet up to your expectations. So should we dive right in?
Camilla Love
Sure. Absolutely.
Jodi Pettersen
Obviously, Camilla, you founded F Three, but what is it that you do besides F Three? Because that's not your day job, is it?
Camilla Love
No. And a lot of people don't actually know what F Three is, so let me start there. So, the founder of F Three, and you mentioned that. So F three stands for future females in finance. And what we aim to do there is encourage and nudge the next generation of female talent into the financial services industry. And we target girls from year ten all the way through to the end of their journey at university. And the backbone of it is an online work experience programme, which is seriously fabulous. And you got to see a little snippet of it this morning, which is fabulous, and it warms my heart. There isn't a week that goes by that someone's not telling me a really fabulous story about the people they've met or the new job that they've got, and that just makes my cup really full. But we can go into F Three at another time. But what I do outside of F three. And this shares not shoes. Podcast. So I am a mom, and I'm a mom of two children and two dogs and a wife, which is really exciting. I'm also the founder of Einvest, an actively managed ETF business we found within the perennial group here in Australia.
Camilla Love
So the business runs just over $100 million in assets, which is pretty exciting. So I started that a little while ago. We've got now four actively managed ETFs out on the market today that anyone can trade. And I have a number of different hats. So I'm a board director I sit on, do a lot of work within the universities, I do a lot of work within my old school I went to in the start up and angel investing segment. But I've been in the financial services industry for over 20 years now and I've really spent most of my time on the marketing, client service and sales side of a buyside firm, which is perennial. What we do there is essentially all about marketing and promotion of our investment capabilities in house. So Einvest is just another feather in my bow on that segment.
Jodi Pettersen
And full disclosure to listeners, I am also a team member at Einvest and we'll find out later if I am the favourite team member.
Camilla Love
Could be.
Jodi Pettersen
But honestly, I don't know anyone who does juggles more than you do, and with such energy and confidence, it astounds me on a daily basis. But let's wind it back to how you actually got into finance. I'm sure you could have done anything. Why? To finance?
Camilla Love
Yes. You know, I really wanted to be in the arts sector. When I did my MBA, I actually did a career deep dive in whether I should actually look at buying and selling art, corporate art, on behalf of big companies out there, and I love all that sort of stuff, but really, that is my passion outside of work. So I didn't necessarily think that that would be a really good career choice for me. But why did I choose a career in finance? And that really comes down to a love of business studies and commerce, a love of people and understanding, decision making and strategy and I love all that sort of stuff, but really, it actually pricked my interest when it's all about what I describe as my international man of mystery. That guy knows who he is. And it was my godfather, so he spent most of my younger childhood offshore, outside of Australia in New York and Tokyo when I was growing up. So every summer he would come down here and come and see my parents and we'd hang out and everyone had been all super excited about where he had been, which Global City had been to in the last month, say, for example, and what deals he had done and the people he had met.
Camilla Love
And these stories really invigorated my interest in financial services. The funny thing is that no one actually knew what he did, but what I did was say, I don't know what you do, but I'm just going to do that and fast forward. And he's working at Citigroup and having a really interesting time. So that's how I sort of loved finance and that's why I knew early on why I wanted to go in there. But I tell you what, everyone thinks that you have to be a whiz, bang, smash it out of the park maths geek. And I definitely was not that. As I mentioned before, I'm a real people person and solving problems. And sure, I can do the math, but it doesn't get me out of bed every day. But finance definitely attracts people like me as well because it really is a people related industry and a problem solving related industry and that's why I love it.
Jodi Pettersen
What I love about finance is you really don't need to be that like master to succeed in this space from that moment of deciding at a young age to go into this space until more recently when you set up F Three, lots has happened. What was it on that journey that inspired you to create a three?
Camilla Love
Yes, a lot of different things actually. So I guess it was a reflection on my journey into the industry and the fact that there weren't a lot of females around at the time that I wanted to look at moving in. I remember in year eleven doing a business studies assignment and interviewing someone at County NatWest, which doesn't actually exist anymore here in Australia about what she did for a role. But I can't even remember any other females around me in my parents circle, for example, who were accountants or anything like that or in finance other than my godfather. So there's that. So that's sort of that reflection on 15 years in the industry. I represented at perennial a really talented group of investment professionals, but in reality there were no females at the time that I started F Three and thankfully now that has changed and changed quite substantially and I found it very hard to affect change on others if I couldn't make change myself. So I set out building F Three because I really wanted to turn work experience and the experience of the female journey within financial services and getting into financial services upside down, shake it all about, put it all back together and see if we can change the way that we do.
Camilla Love
It really meaningfully and I really wanted a grassroots, scalable approach to it and that's what we've come up with, with F Three. So for all those F Three girls out there, congratulations on getting through all that work experience and coming into the industry. And I know there are a lot of them. So it is a meaningful part of my life giving back into the industry that has given a lot to me, but also changing the industry for the better. Absolutely.
Jodi Pettersen
And I think I don't know about you, but I've sat into some of these presentations that F Three interns have made and I'm just astounded at the quality of their presentations and the research that they do. So the fact that you're getting these talented women and shoving them boardrooms yeah, I see it. Once they're in the boardrooms, they knock.
Camilla Love
Everyone away, they shine. It's a supportive environment and it's really important to create that. So that it really is a big fat nudge to show these talented university and school students that they can actually do this, no problem, give them the confidence that they need. It's really important to be part of that journey, to actually say, yeah, I can do this and let's take a big step into the industry.
Jodi Pettersen
I love it. So I guess jumping off from that as well. You've clearly helped a lot of young women enter into this space and I imagine we'll continue to do so in the future. I know how much demand there is for young women to be entering this programme and the demand of corporates to really accept them into their offices. What is it that you've learnt from s three students?
Camilla Love
A lot of different stuff and it's really about the next generation's views and eyes and attitudes on problem solving and whether that be a social media bent or whether that be more focused sustainability bent, whether that be really purpose driven. There's a lot of different stuff. But in reality, if I reflect on it the same feelings that I had 20 years ago on entering the industry, these people and these talented females having the same trepidation, is this right for me? Am I going to find cultural alignment of my values? Can I do it? All of that is the same, but it is just a slightly different lens with a slightly different purpose and okay.
Jodi Pettersen
You have been working under the perennial business of which Einstein are part of in a number of different roles over 20 years now, which to work for the same organisation for 20 years is quite unusual in Australia at least. How did you do that? What was it like?
Camilla Love
Yeah, funny. I guess there's a couple of things that are really important. So the ability to take big steps and risks within your career in a comfortable environment and perennial has given me that a number of times throughout my career. Whether that be taking the first job, whether that be getting my first promotion, whether that be doing offshore business development for a period of time, whether that be starting invest, it was all risky and it was a comfortable working environment and comfortable culture for me to be able to take that risk. Also thing is also about the leadership within the organisation is really important. So people who are aligned with my values, who care about me, who want to see me do my best, I think that is a really critical part of why I've stayed for so long. And working with people you really enjoy, so not only your boss, but also the peers that are around you, the intelligence, the ability to have difficult conversations, provide good quality feedback to each other without repercussion, I think is really important. I think that growing the new talent in the organisation and showing being able to allow them to shine is also really important.
Camilla Love
So that's why I've stayed for so long. I've taken a lot of risk, I've done a lot of different things and I found renewal each time. So it's not that I haven't looked outside for sure, because you have to keep yourself aware with what other people are doing outside. But is the grass greener or is it just a different colour? That's essentially what I'm always assessing, whether is the grass greener and sometimes it's not.
Jodi Pettersen
Yes, I imagine you get lots of calls from recruiters because you're such a star and yet don't tell. You're going to get flooded now, girl. Once they hear this, I'll be like, oh, Camilla. Because I know how much of a star you are in this industry. And, yeah, the fact that you continue, obviously you make that choice all the time and this is still the best place that I want to be.
Camilla Love
Yeah, but remember, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I would say there's a couple of things. So I think the best piece of advice that I was ever given, and it was given to me by my boss, was essentially, you need to be your number one cheerleader, right? So no one else is going to be your cheerleader except your biggest cheerleader, except for you. So unless you're putting yourself out there and saying, hey, I want to go and do that, or, hey, can you give me a chance to go on to that committee? Or, hey, put me forward for this role over here. They're not mind readers that your boss isn't a mind reader. You need to be able to verbalise and articulate what it is you want, and if you can't do that, you're not being your number one cheerleader, and it's important. But then also, the other thing is, the onus is on you to build your own profile and get stuff done, right? So whilst I've been in the organisation for a long time and I've done different roles outside of the organisation. Within charity groups and things like that. The onus is on me to build my profile within the industry for not only doing a really good job and being great at what I do.
Camilla Love
But also bettering the industry for the next generation. Which is what F Three is all about. Too.
Jodi Pettersen
Absolutely. I've really found through my career in the finance space that the more that you give, the more you get back, and you're a giver. So it's this cool virtual cycle, which is something that I think it's true sometimes you give, give, give. You might not get back straight away.
Camilla Love
Come on in, karma.
Jodi Pettersen
It's true, though. It's absolutely true. And look, I think you kind of touched it in your answer here, but I want to highlight it to the audience because I'm sure they already know already. But you are like a very excellent networker. What would you give to advice would you give to others about putting yourself out there and networking and especially when it doesn't feel natural?
Camilla Love
Yeah, this is a really good question and I'm one of probably 1% of people who walk into a room of people I don't know and go, yes, who can I meet? And the other person I think I know is my mum. So it is something that you have to teach yourself, it is not something that is necessarily innate. I love networking, I love finding out about new people. I think that my network is an organic organism which essentially needs new people to enter and leave as it goes to grow and be beneficial to the people within my network. So I think that that isn't really important thing to think about when deciding whether to network or not. It's important. I've written actually a blog ages and ages ago on my LinkedIn, on my best tips for networking, but things that I do. So just a basic thing is just smile because everybody is feeling equally as awkward as you are and a smile goes a long way and I think that that is if you're giving off that exciting and positive energy, you will get that in return when you're networking. So that's point one.
Camilla Love
Point two, I think is you need to be interesting to others and ask a lot of questions and on the flip side of that is being an active listener as part of that. So asking what do you do on the weekends and when's your next travel and what makes you tick outside of work, all that sort of stuff, really listening and understanding that of people. Because a lot of people first question is where do you work and what do you do? I tell you what, if that was the only thing that was ever about me, no one's writing where did you work and what did you do on your gravestone? It's actually about what do you like as a person and what do you do outside of work? That's actually super interesting. So ask those type of questions and be really engaged and active in your listening of that. And then the follow up piece the next morning, is it an email, is it a LinkedIn pin that says lovely to meet you last night, it was great to chat about X, Y and Z. Let's stay in touch. I think that is really important.
Camilla Love
But I'm quite strategic in my networking. I network inside the industry, across multiple industries and then for fun and what you find is all those people interact and you're getting outside of your bubble and you're learning different things about different people in different industries and the challenges that they are doing, which actually just makes you an interesting person to be around, which means that people want to network with you. So, yeah, there's lots of different tips and tricks out there, but the biggest one is to smile.
Jodi Pettersen
Yes, I agree and I think you touched on at the end, like having something when you're an interesting person, you attract interesting people to you and again, that becomes that virtuous cycle that I mentioned earlier. I've always really found it that like, offering to someone like, oh, I'm really interested in XYZ. Offering that of yourself to them can actually make them feel comfortable because then they know what to ask, they know what to talk to you about, particularly in kind of new situations. We're all a little bit of out of Practise at the moment. After Covert, I know I haven't been to many functions and I'm still kind of getting back into that groove. I think it's also okay to acknowledge the person like, oh man, I haven't been to one of these in a while. Feeling a bit rusty. My name is Jodi. How are you going? Acknowledging that you're feeling a bit nervous to someone I found personally works really well and kind of breaking the ice and being a bit more vulnerable.
Camilla Love
Yeah. And vulnerability is important with networking because if you put yourself out there, people will reflect that as well. So they will put themselves out there as well. Yeah. It's super important. And networking is absolutely critical to the success of your career. I can walk into many rooms doing industry events these days and I can see people I haven't seen in forever, but yet I know I've networked with them five years ago and it's like, I've started again and it's hit back all the banter and what about this? And I'm seeing you here and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it is critical, it's critical for your career progression, definitely. So for those people who are scared of it, just get out and give it a go. And whether that's you put yourself a goal of, okay, I'm going to do one networking event a month or one working networking event a quarter, whatever that is, reflect on the learnings that you have during that time that you are at that event, and understand when you feel uncomfortable and acknowledge it, because there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Jodi Pettersen
It's completely natural. Another tip that someone told me, which I always really like, is when you're following up on LinkedIn, say hi, so and so, it's really nice to meet you at and put the event in like three years time when you're like, oh, where do I need that person? You've actually got the record of it in your LinkedIn messages. That's really cool. So the last kind of big question I have is, you've got incredible energy, but what is it that inspires you to keep that energy going every day?
Camilla Love
Yeah, it's a really good question because sometimes I'm an extrovert, so I live off the energy that is inside me and I get from other people, which is why I'm a people person. Right? So everybody sort of understands that, but it can be tiring. So I totally acknowledge that as well, particularly for people who aren't so people orientated, like me. So I absolutely appreciate that. What keeps me going is a number of different things. So I always like to leave the world in a better place than I found it, and whether that be just by touching or having a conversation or being involved with an organisation or whatever it is, I always like to leave a positive mark on it so that people reflect on me in a positive light. So there's that piece. I also it's the next generation. So leaving a legacy for not only the organisations that I'm involved with, but on the industry as a whole, I think, is really something that drives me. And then my kids drive me a lot and they drive me up the wall sometimes too, but they drive me a lot to become a better person and part of me starting out three.
Camilla Love
And whilst it started before my daughter was born, the reason and purpose is only solidified by her and the ability for her to come to me in 20 years time and say, hey, Mom, I want to be part of the industry. And I can go?
Jodi Pettersen
Yeah.
Camilla Love
Great. It will welcome you with big arms and give you a big crazy hug, because it will welcome anyone from a broad church, from a broad background with broad sets of skills and you can make a mark and find your purpose in this industry. So there's lots of different drivers, but, yeah, that's a couple for you.
Jodi Pettersen
And you've had S Three students going through the programme for a couple of years now and we were talking about this at lunchtime, how I think you're really starting to see the kind of the knock on effects of what happens to these students once they've gone through the programme and or finish the university or wherever that in that journey. The reality is that you're going to for you to see real change that you're trying to make with S Three. It's going to take a number of years for it to kind of really come out, but I'm interested to know if you've got any really special stories from some of the students that you've interacted with so far on their journeys that kind of you think about when you go to bed at night.
Camilla Love
Oh, lots. So I think the first one is Daisy, who I went to her school and did a career stay presentation there. She then went and took a commerce degree at university and then turned up in one of my Fthree groups. So there's a great one. I had lunch the other day with four exfree girls who are all out in the industry and we were talking about, is there a way that we can all keep together? Because I would love to continue to support F Three, or I would happily take a coffee from an ex F Three girl, all that sort of stuff. Sitting on a final presentation from an S Three group today, alongside the CFA and a company called Neos, and one of the girls there said, I've done this three group before and it was three years ago and she essentially got an internship out of that. So it's really positive. And as I said right at the beginning, it really fills my cup every day. There isn't a week that goes by, like, even this week, I got an email from a girl I placed in your ten work experience at Hester, one of the large superannuation and pension funds here in Australia, and she's then gone on to take a commerce degree, majoring in finance, and she's just come back and said, hey, I'm looking for work experience.
Camilla Love
I'm like, well, just join one of the F Three groups that we're going to come up later on the year. So the virtuous cycle is occurring and it really is grassroots and it just makes me happy.
Jodi Pettersen
I know how much it makes you happy because as I sit next to you every day at work, I see when these emails ping into your inbox and how it lights up your day of these good stories. So I'm going to take my opportunity as the master of today's podcast to encourage the former F Three students to please send emails to Camilla about how much you love F Three and the things that you've done and what you've done since. And even if you haven't gone into the finance industry, I think that's also a really relevant data point. I'm sure you've still learned something from your F Three journey and I know how much these emails make Camilla's day, so I'm just going to put it out there that you should probably send her a message.
Camilla Love
I'm going to get bombarded.
Jodi Pettersen
Oh, come on, you love it, I know you do. I love a war story, camilla, this industry is full of them. What is your favourite war story from your career so far?
Camilla Love
Yeah, good question, Jody, because I have an absolute cracking one and, like, there's many, so don't get me wrong, but this one always sticks out. So, at the time, I was responsible for offshore business development and client engagement for perennial and we had a really cracking listed global real estate capability and I had found out that we had been shortlisted for $250,000,000 mandate in Taiwan. And so I had gone and I got everything translated into traditional Chinese language. I got an agent over in Taipei over there and the agents like, okay, well, you need to turn up with everybody and go, well, I'm turning up with the portfolio manager myself. And my boss, he goes, no, you need to have 15 people there. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Anyway, fast forward, because lots of people just don't have the you know, you don't have the resources to do that. Plus you think about all the time that takes of all these people. But anyway, so fast forward, we're in Taipei and we go into this pension fund office in Taipei and we got into this room which was this huge U shaped room with twelve trustees behind it and a big auditorium in the dark behind us, right?
Camilla Love
And we're on a table and we're there pitching and we're saying it in English and they're translating to Chinese and all that sort of stuff. And the clock literally had started at 40 minutes and then it went 395-9395 eight and it's like clicking down, clocking down, clocking down. And then at the end of it we had to stop and that was it. And then the trustees asked one question after one question after one question after one question and then it was in Chinese and the translators writing it in English and then giving us a question and we're trying to do it in English, give that question back and then she has to translate it into Chinese. It was a really interesting and lost in translation experience for me and it really highlighted a number of things about taking culture and thinking about it more deeply and the way that you interact with potential clients and things like that is really important. And then we all sort of left that and we sort of had to sit in our hotel room and we'd already given our fees in and so once we'd done the pitch, the pension fund would open up and work out what the fees were.
Camilla Love
And we had to sit there, hauled up in this apartment or this hotel room waiting for them to bring us back to see whether they wanted to be in negotiation or not. And needless to say, we didn't win the mandate. But really, as I said, really huge learning lesson for me because in reality the decision maker probably was in the dark behind me in the auditorium rather than the people around the Ushaped table in front of us. And it was enormous. It was cold because it was winter. The time we went, it was just entirely lost in translation. So it was one of those if I had to do it over again moments, it would be done slightly differently. But I'll tell you what, would I have not ever done that? Would I have? No answer. I learnt a lot about myself. I learnt a lot about the industry, I learned a lot about improvements that I should have made and things we should have done differently. But it was an amazing experience. And I tell you what, going to Taipei and the food was amazing and just everything, it was just fabulous in a country that I don't think necessarily I would have chosen to go to unless it had been works.
Camilla Love
So yeah, big wall story, but one of those ones. Would I have changed it for this world? Absolutely not.
Jodi Pettersen
How long were you waiting in the hotel room for that phone call?
Camilla Love
Like hours. Like 6 hours. It was hilarious. It was seriously hilarious.
Jodi Pettersen
And with your boss, everyone. Around you, everyone just sitting there looking at the phone, waiting, just waiting.
Camilla Love
It was really odd. It was really odd. But different cultures do things differently and you need to respect that. Yeah, it's different doing business here in Australia.
Jodi Pettersen
But what I love about that story as well is in that moment, you can prepare all you want and you're not only managing yeah. But you're managing the expectations of this whole room, of the people you're selling to, but also managing your boss, like, who's there? Like, sitting in the hotel room, probably going, I'm sure going to you going, when are they calling? Do you think we got it?
Camilla Love
What do you know?
Jodi Pettersen
I can only imagine the pressure cooker of the situation.
Camilla Love
And it wasn't a small mandate either. Like, $250,000,000 is a pretty big mandate. We should have sent 15 people along. We should have, I don't know, had a traditional Chinese speaker within the investment team that may have, you know, there could have been a lot of things that we would have done differently. But would I have changed it? Absolutely not. I reflect on that period and even talking to my boss about that, because obviously he was there, just how funny it was and how different it was and how good it was to do well.
Jodi Pettersen
If anything, it makes for a good story.
Camilla Love
Indeed. It might go down in folklore.
Jodi Pettersen
I'm sure the management is still talking about it about time in Taipei, like, ten years ago.
Camilla Love
Dear yes, dear me. But anyway, loved every second of it.
Jodi Pettersen
Let's wind into our quick fire questions and let's get right into it. So, Camilla, if you were any animal, what would it be and why?
Camilla Love
I think I'd be a dolphin. Highly intelligent, pretty I mean, it looks funny, but pretty good looking for a fish, I think. And it's always in the water. I love being close to the water, so I'm going to say a dolphin.
Jodi Pettersen
They're also highly social creatures, which is highly social creatures. Just complex social networks. It's you.
Camilla Love
Indeed.
Jodi Pettersen
What about your favourite superhero? Who is it?
Camilla Love
Well, I don't actually have one, but I tell you what, alongside F Three, I did a startup sort of boot camp thing a little while ago and we had to come up with our own superhero name. So don't judge me on this. And I actually won, so I'll take away with this, but I called myself the Networking Noodle and I had a special N and it was quite funny. But I'm the networking noodle. So I'll go with that.
Jodi Pettersen
Sure. And no one will ever come up with that one before, so I love that no.
Camilla Love
But can I say, before you move on, planet Money has done a cracking bunch of podcasts on creating a comic hero character and they're so worth a listen. So go and go and find there's, like, multiple of them and what they've done to buy it, and create it and now they've just done a musical which is think is hilarious. So go and have a look.
Jodi Pettersen
Maybe we might be able to link that in the body of the notes. Yeah. Best fashion brand for women to wear at work?
Camilla Love
Oh, there's a few. And I am definitely can't go past Scanner Theatre at all. Like you and I both know that they are a bit XY but they are staples within my wardrobe. I do love Ginger and smart to throw in a whole bunch of colour and interest and stuff into my work wardrobe. And even Saba I think is pretty good for the work wardrobe.
Jodi Pettersen
Great. I've also heard lately that Veronica Maine has really stepped it up. I haven't gone to cheque it out because again, post Covert, I haven't really been going out that much. But watch this space. Maybe we need to revisit foreign domain. That's what my friends have been telling me. What's your best book recommendation?
Camilla Love
Best book recommendation? So my favourite book is The Great Gatsby? For sure. I read it at school. I think I've read it 15 times. Just the Unrequited love story and the figurative language and the flappers and the devastation of loss and that small book just cracking. Love it.
Jodi Pettersen
Did you love Bass Lemon's version?
Camilla Love
You know what my favourite basal omen film is actually Romeo and Juliet and nothing is ever going to top it. So sorry. I like Leo but I tell you what, in the Gatsby in the Basilvan version, but he was way better in Romeo and Juliet and Claire Danes.
Jodi Pettersen
Amazing.
Camilla Love
Just like the ultimate couple. And the soundtrack all my life.
Jodi Pettersen
Oh, the music.
Camilla Love
The music so good.
Jodi Pettersen
I know that you love a short course, always learning. What's the best one you've taken so far?
Camilla Love
I have done a number, I think the two that really has sort of stuck out for me. I did a recent one at MIT on AI and its application in business strategy. I think that was really interesting. I've done one also with section four which is an online specialist and they do a lot of digital stuff and so that was really interesting too there on branding and strategy and product innovation and then also UNSW then learn to lead which actually Jody. You know. But for those guys out there. I'm actually a guest lecturer for it. Which I'm sorry for those people who are taking it. But the learnt to lead actually with UNSW which they offer for free for their postgrads. Is really interesting. So you're getting to understand the new and up to date thinking on different areas about leadership and stuff.
Jodi Pettersen
The ESG edition is coming soon, it.
Camilla Love
Will be released soon with similar in September. So yeah, all kind of responsibility.
Jodi Pettersen
Well, as I help edit it, I can vouch for it. It's quality, lack of that's great. Don't know about my Edison job. We'll see how we go. I know also that you've been involved with a number of charities. It's probably like picking your favourite child, but what's your favourite charity?
Camilla Love
Good question. So I give a lot to my old school foundation, Abbottley. I also am really passionate about some of the children's charity and also Beyond Blue or the sort of suicide prevention charities, because most listeners don't know, but Jody does know that my father unfortunately passed away due to suicide, so it's really important to me those areas. Should we take a little moment? I'm okay, I'm shaking it out.
Jodi Pettersen
Camilla, I also know that obviously you work at investing and you invest personally yourself, both in angel companies, but also into manage funds and ETFs, just like what Einvest creates over your time in the investment industry. What has been the best investment that you've made?
Camilla Love
In myself, definitely. So don't forget that one is probably what I'd say from a monetary position. My best investment may be in the small caps area, and the reason for that is because we've got time on our hands. So whilst it's highly volatile and can give you really good returns, it is over a really long time frame. So there you go. So I'll probably give you that one. But definitely, definitely investing in myself and the betterment and the knowledge base I have, and that is critically important.
Jodi Pettersen
Who is the most influential person in your life?
Camilla Love
Well, I definitely think my husband. He's definitely influential. He's the type of person who will tell me when things are bad as well as good, which I think is really important to have. I think my mum has been heavily influential. She is a businesswoman herself and she sort of paved away on, you can definitely do this, Camilla. So I love that. And then, obviously I mentioned my kids because they are the reason why we do what we do.
Jodi Pettersen
And what about your hidden talent?
Camilla Love
I don't know if I have a hidden talent. Like some people on the podcast have said, oh, yeah, I like to cook. And all my hidden talent is I can dislocate. Not dislocate, but got multiple joint things. I don't know. I don't know if I have a hidden talent. I would like to say my hidden talent is finding the murderer on Murder Mysteries, but I don't think I'm actually that good. Maybe that's what I'll go for. I know what I think and I'll call it out early, but I don't know if I'm that good.
Jodi Pettersen
Fair enough. Best wine recommendation, your go to wine if you're going to a dinner party or a function. What is it?
Camilla Love
Yeah, good question. So if I'm taking a white, I'm taking a Phillips shaw white. That's from Orange here in New South Wales. And if I'm taking a red, it's definitely a Clonicyla, which is down in Murray Bateman here in New South Wales as well. Cracking. And I will also say, so shout out to the Mount Madura crew. So I drink a lot of Mount Madura, both white and red here in this household. We do have a family connection, but yeah, they're the go to the go to one for me.
Jodi Pettersen
I love that because my go to is also from Orange as well. So Orange represent totally and last go fire question. I alluded to the beginning. Who's your favourite Invest team member?
Camilla Love
Good question. And now I would probably have to say the star here is our head of Legal, Juju the Cat. So Juju is Jodi's Cat and Julien Covet was a starring appearance on a number of different podcasts and videos and webinars. And even on our daily team to do, the Cat would always be there. She's there. She's number one support crew. But also she's a great legal representative because she doesn't say.
Jodi Pettersen
The people who don't follow the Einvest Instagram page, you guys really should, because Judy, the Head of Legal, does make an appearance on there occasionally. And some of our other followers have also got added in. There kind of honorary investments. We've got some dogs and other cats there. So definitely recommend following Instagram for the following Judy's journey as a legal cash. I also will make it very clear that we do have real legal people too.
Camilla Love
Yeah, we definitely.
Jodi Pettersen
Bill and Beck. They're great, we love them. But Juju is the star. We'll give her that. Well, look, Camilla, thank you so much for having me as your host today. I'm so glad I got to pull the reverse Uno card and fire the questions your way, because I know that many of the F three students and also F Three partners, corporate partners, want to hear more about the lady that has created so much positive momentum for this industry. So thank you.
Camilla Love
Thanks for being the host with the most today, Joe. It's really important. And thanks for asking the really important questions, because from all of us, and as you well know, if every single one of us tells our journey, every journey is different. Someone will see something about themselves within those stories. So it is important to bring everyone's stories to life. And that's what Shares Not Shoes is all about.
Jodi Pettersen
Fantastic. Make sure you tune in to the next episodes.
Camilla Love
Bye, guys. You know the information that is in this podcast. We always talk about finance in this podcast, but it's not financial advice. It's actually really careers advice. If you really want financial advice, I recommend that you speak to a financial planner or a broker and work out your own personal circumstances with that. But this is all about careers advice and how finance will be a fabulous career for you.